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Star Wars Vs. Star Trek. If the Star Wars and Star Trek Universes were to battle who would win?

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For this months give away poll I have the perfect discussion for us. Star Wars Vs. Star Trek. Now this isnt your normal which do you prefer poll either. This is a battle to the death poll.

If the Star Wars Universe were to fight and battle the Star Trek Universe which do you think would win? Using all the resources available to the universe, meaning technology, soldiers, ships, anything that you would actually, and factually see in the universe, none of the made up crap you see in so many of the books from both universes.

Vote on the poll for who would win, and comment as to why you think your choice would win.
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I voted Star Trek, big shock there I know...lol Reason being is really technology. Even though Star Wars Universe has some pretty advanced technology, its really nothing when you compare it to the universes of Star Trek. They have technology that has damn near completely gotten rid of disease and illnesses besides ones they have not come across yet. Which they usually are able to get rid of pretty easily as well.

They ships have insane amounts of tech in them, they have shield tech on their ships that would damn near cause blaster fire from Star Wars ships to be completely ineffective. The other thing about the ships, sure they are smaller then the giant destroyers or even the death star, but they have a shear numbers advantage. If Star Trek universe pulled all the allies of the Federation of planets together they would outnumber Star Wars ships 10 to 1.

One of the biggest advantages though for the reason I see Star Trek winning is the lack of conflict. Star Wars universe is contently battling. Its Empire vs Republic always, or jedi vs sith, or even all of just the bounty hunters and crime that is just crazy and out of control in the Star Wars Universe. Star Trek universe the Federation of planets has virtually no crime, and its only the odd ball trouble maker they have to deal with, or the rogue civilization they might come across that they start any real battles.

To be fair though, Star Wars does have the Jedi and Sith, Star Trek Universe doesn't have anybody like that. The closest they have to somebody that would be a force user would be the Q Continuum. That still really isn't much of comparison though as the Q Continuum are more like a species that is able to just do and think whatever and make it happen.
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ok well I think it would be a tough fight but I have to honestly say star wars would probably come out on top my reasons are these...

One: yes star trek would definitely have the advantage of numbers because the star trek universe covers much more space then star wars ...but numbers don't win wars.

Two: it has been shown over and over again that regardless of all the in fighting and wars between Jedi-Sith; republic-empire... they know how to work together against a common enemy.

Three: because of the diversity of star wars not only with Jedi and Sith but smuggler, bounty hunters, agents commando, etc. all people that work outside the control and more adept in infiltration and subterfuge.

Four: Tech wise I think they are just about the same, while star wars tech seems more thrown together from spare parts it still gets the job done. Also star wars does have advanced shielding as well. we see more destruction when shields are taken down from within (infiltration and subterfuge).

Last but i'm sure not least: While star trek does have the Federation which is basically a bunch of worlds working together because by law they have to, when the call is made they all have to get behind each other. Star wars on the other hand you have passion, people that fight together because they want to... because they believe in what they are fighting for.

so there you have my two cents lol.... always root for the underdog
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Last Edit: 29th Sep 2015 by Llunna
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I agree to disagree...lol

Point One, I agree 100% numbers dont always win a war, so I agree.

Point two, Yes they can work together as one, but still not very good. Take for example the Shadow of Revan story. The whole time you are working with the empire Theron and Satele are asking you to go behind the empires back and do something to either increase the republics foothold or to gather intel.

Point Three, Star Trek also have a big diversity in this aspect, they have the science, engineering, Medical, tactical, and many other roles for their personal. The best though would be Star Treks Section 31, they are the best of the best, the spies, infiltrators, as well as time traveling secret branch of the federation.

Point Four I would agree as well, some of the tech between the two are very similar.

Last point though, I think goes for star wars just as much as star trek. Actually more oppressive in star wars if you think about it. Those guys in the empire are scared to death about failing and being killed for it from their masters or superiors. Same goes kind of for the republic, some of the planets in the republic are only there because they are either afraid of the empire, or are just trying to get the free support of the republic. The Federation isnt really a law that forces them to work together or anything, its more just the different planetary governments agreeing to exist semi-autonomously under a single central government. Not really a if your not with us your the bad guys type thing that happens with a lot of places in star wars where they are either pub or imp side.

I love a good debate, thats why I made this the question for the give away. Its all in good fun...lol
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I need my minion emote for this one lol

Point one: no debate

Point two: both sides do still try to get the advantage. that would be the case for anyone BUT it is up to the individual player to do what they think is right and if you were to take a poll I would bet money that most do what would be best for the alliance (except maybe Vled and Aric the evil ) That aside they still work together to accomplish the main goal. also since you brought it up (and proving my point) lets take Satele and Mar... enemies "leaders" in the middle of a war that can put aside their differences enough to get the job done... common goal, common enemy.

Point three: (time travel.... really?!? lol not biased at all ) you can try to argue this point till you are blue in the face but the fact will always remain that star trek may have and advantage with medical and science BUT tactical, hand to hand, infiltration, subterfuge, etc star wars is one up.

Point four: no debate

Last Point: in either universe i'm sure civilian populations follow the rules of the land for many different reasons be it fear, trust, need, etc. however this debate is not about civilian populations, it is about what would be considered fighting forces. now in star trek it may not be if your not with us you are the bad guys it still stands that the treaties made with the federation requires them to fight. my point still stands... in star wars the fighting forces will fight together because they believe in what they are fighting for.

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So with point two though, with the Federation not having all the differences between them there would be nothing to put aside. They would all just band together and fight the good fight.

Point three, it depends on the fight I think. I mean sure if it was Jedi or Sith fighting soldiers of the Federation, or even Section 31, there is no contest. All star trek has in single combat like that is their phaser, plasma, tetryon, and so on rifles and pistols and such. So if it was soldier vs solder, it would probably be a pretty even fight to be honest. But if you but jedi and sith in the mix then it would probably be pretty one sided unless light sabers wouldn't be able to reflect the beam of the star trek weapons.

last point though, in the Star Trek Universe their is no real monetary value, people work to better themselves. People join the Federation because they genuinely want to help protect or better their worlds. There really is no you fight because you are told you have to or anything. Case in point for this is the Makeb story, when chancellor Seresh finds out about the terrible state of Makeb she is ready to toss them out the air lock and say, "Well you have nothing to bring to the table" Where Star Trek would be transporting people or helping them save the planet more out of the goodness of their hearts then to better and strengthen their fighting force. Same with the ships like enterprise that go out, they go out to better humanity and to explore no civilizations, to seek out new life and new civilizations. So I still think that star trek would still be the ones more opt to fight for what they believe in. To me it would seem that the shady people and criminal lords of star wars would see the fighting as an opportunity and start casing problems instead of standing beside the governing bodies to fight. Not to mention the empire might see it as a chance to get rid of the republic once and for all during the fighting.
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Point two I still argue that the people in the federation fight because treaty tells them they have to... there is no individuality. The federation is a machine. we can argue that I believe it is the differences that makes star wars stronger.

Point Three: we agree that sith and jedi there would be no contest in hand to hand, but star trek also relies on their technology even star wars commando is better geared and equipped then a star trek soldier/officer. They hide behind there big ships and guns. Throw in a death star and start disintegrating federation planets and it would fall into chaos lol

last point: lol I will give you Seresh is a lunatic lol BUT she has to make the hard decisions, and now she has to provide for more people because of there own selfishness and stupidity in dealing with the Hutts. That aside we go back to individuality. It is up to choice to agree with her or not and convince her otherwise, again take a poll on how many would allow them to be disregarded and you know where my money would go ....

Now kinda like we discussed but let me put this to you ... let's say we have a summit and we put Satele, Mar and the federation at a sit down to discuss a diplomatic solution... what do you think would happen? and now my head hurts LOL
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So we are going to end up arguing about point two tell we are literally blue in the face...lol I will post a direct quote from the United Federation of Planets doctrine.

"The social structure within the Federation is classless and operates within a moneyless "New World Economy". The Federation is described as stressing, at least nominally, the values of universal liberty, equality, justice, peace, and cooperation."

There really is no treaty as such in joining the Federation. Its really just a join or dont join, I mean sure there are rules you have to follow but not a like dictator ship that tells them you have to do this or this to be with us. They are all about advancing civilizations and helping grow civilizations.

Point Three, the death star wouldnt stand a chance against Star Trek tech. Its just to big and slow, all star trek would have to do is take and get a few ships in tractor beam range and pull it away. Without shields or anything death star would be taken out like a pinata. Now in terms of better geared and things I agree, star wars has armors and things to protect them where star trek just wears their uniforms. But star trek also has there personal shields to protect them from damage so they dont need armor to protect them.

Last point, with Sareesh. Yes in terms of the game you have the choice to agree and disagree with her. Where if you think about it in terms of it not being a game without choices, if she was saying that, that's what she was wanting and going to do. Sure with it being the video game you have the chance to disagree with her and not having something like that happen.

Now I completely agree with you though when talking about diplomacy. If before there was any kind of fighting, hell even if the empire or republic fired first the Federation would still continue to try to work something out and find a diplomatic way to work it out.
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Unicorns and Dragons lmao
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Death Star nuf said.
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I think there is one point missing here. Star trek forces, while trained to fight, are more of an exploratory force, sent to explore and observe. Star wars is constantly at war. Thus, they are always training for battle. Even in times of "peace" they are still fighting behind the scenes. Even given the other 4 points made here, each being awarded 2, star wars will hold an advantage in training and combat readiness. Plus, using just the Canon star wars universe, they possess the ability to rapidly create combat drones, droids, unmanned fighters, as well as cloning capabilities that surpass anything that star trek can put together. And this is without even bring in advanced races like the Gree or the new Star trek Khan.
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I agree, Llunna basically had said the same thing. If it was ground combat absolutely star wars wins everytime. Like you said, they are always at war, always ready for war, and trained for war. Plus Jedi, come on...lol

But get some star trek tactics in that mix with the use of transporters and starship torpedo drops and pin point accuracy able to pin point to a single unit if they wanted, thats when it goes to star treks favor I think.

Also just so you all know, I was prepared to be the only one voting for star trek so I will argue with each and everyone of you...lol
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Last Edit: 6th Oct 2015 by Aric'thebeard
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+ armies throughout the SW timeline which can just gore forever...... if the sight of production is not destroyed(i.e. Clones-Kamino, TFC army-Mustafar, what ever the heck some one wants to duplicate-Star Forge, etc.). Now if the only army the SW universe brought was Stormtroopers....... the ST universe would probably not lose a single man. *Stormtrooper looks down and starts to tear up knowing what the pub commando means by that*
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The proton torpedoes in SW are far more maneuverable than the torpedoes in ST not to mention faster. Plus ST is unlikely to be able to gather a viable fleet in the same time that SW can. Granted once engaged the transporters in ST would be a major tactical advantage, the number of ppl that can be beamed anywhere at any given time is relatively small compared to the number of people on a given station or ship. Not to mention, that SW is known for building ships and space stations of epic proportions (i.e. death star and KDY) where as ST struggles to make large capital ships. While granted, ST has better space tacticians, SW rules space through numbers. Oh and the force, never forget the force.
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The torps in star trek wouldn't even need to be maneuverable, they could just beam them to each ship and be done, add in the massive range they can transport things with the transporters and they wouldn't even have to be in firing range of the star wars ships.That aside I don't think the torps in star wars are faster, the torps in star trek move at anywhere from warp 3 to warp 9. So with that speed and the massive damage output(a 50 Isoton Photon torpedo is a large enough blast to wipe out a small planet). Plus you forget the fact that laser fire from the star wars ships wouldn't even dent the shields the ships in star trek have. When you look at the massive size and scale for everything in the star wars universe though huge and powerful, it would also be a serious draw back, It would be like hitting flies with a tank shell, not to mention those types of things would be sitting ducks. Couple of well aimed shots could take out every major system of the star wars ships causing them to be completely inoperable because of the accuracy of star trek weapon systems.
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I would say Star Wars, the "Beam me up, Scotty" is a plus to Star Trek tho, but won't win a war if you don't have the man power or the weapons/armor to board a ship successfully. The weapons in Star Wars are better, so is the armor, ships and skills in general. It would be a long war tho, but like in real life the Alliance and the Empire would just join against a common enemy and kick butt, after that there just would go back to there normal BS against each other. Oh yeah and don't forget the new fleet of the "Fallen Emperor" there also have cloak and shields, if there work hand in hand that tech would spread really fast throughout the Star Wars Fleet, you can't hit what you can't see. I think that if the Star Wars side would board a ship that's the end of the Star Trek Vessel, just try to remember the "Esseles" mission, I think the droid and the man power would be to much to handle for the Star Trek crew it's like fighting the Borg lol. Oh and also don't forget the Star Trek Fleet could board with Transporter, but the moment there beam someone up there need to lower the shields and that could be the end of that ship due to the rapid fire ability of the guns in Star Wars.
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I don't know where the idea of star wars not having any shielding came from cause it's just not true. Movies and game show otherwise. I still stick to my original points so no I don't think the numbers of either side would be a factor at all, with that said I agree with Aric that Star trek would have more numbers then star wars. However; passion, tactics, infiltration, (yes Aric star wars lasers are faster lol) don't forget trickery and deceit and yes the force.... lure a few star trek ships into a trap, infiltrate with a few Jedi/Sith = GAME OVER (oh and also for Aric.... once we have captured a few star trek ships all that lovely tech WILL BE OURS) lmao and one more point .... star trek shields don't deflect attacks they absorb them and weaken as they do so in the words of my favorite Trek "I Just Can't Do It Captain"
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Star Wars wouldn't even be able to board a star trek vessel so they in turn wouldn't even be able to take a star trek vessel down from boarding it. Star treks shielding prevents damage, prevents things and people going through them, and so on and so fourth. Until their shields were down or failed there would be no getting through them. I just don't agree at all with the weapons from star wars being better. You can see in star trek lore that turbo laser fire wouldn't even scratch the shielding on the star wars ships, it would merely be absorbed. The ships absolutely not, star trek ships completely outclass the star wars ships in every way but size. The star trek ships would have nothing to worry about with lowering their shields because they would do this well before they were even in range of any star wars ship fire.

In all the movies, games, cartoons, everything star wars all the space battles happen up close. This is another thing that star trek has, range. They could literally destroy any star wars vessel before they were even in visual range. So before any star trek ship could even take any damage SW would already have casualties.

I agree, SW does have shields, I never said they didn't. From what I can see in any of the films though, those shields only protect against certain things, and seem to be pretty easy to take out. Other things are able to pass right through them with ease. Watch this clip for an example.


That ship was being hit even before the shields were down. So if that's all it takes to take out a shield on a SW ship, they might as well not have them. ST could launch a few transphasic torpedo's and it would be lights out. Transphasic torpedo's have no travel time, they simply phase out of time and space, and phase back at its target doing the damage.

Also yes, the ST shields absorb energy, they weaken when they take damage. It has been proven though in ST lore that laser fire doesn't do anything to a ST ship, hell they wouldn't even bring the ship to red alert from laser fire. As you can see in this clip.



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LMAO Aric you are very passionate about your star trek aren't you? 
well also in the star trek movies it has been shown that they can infact be infiltrated ...



They have even stolen there own ship back  



and don't forget from your own words star trek would always look for diplomacy first so you know damn well both republic and empire are VERY good at deception.  A captain like Kirk turning down a lost female smuggler in need NEVER HAPPEN lol  

star wars ships do not ONLY use lasers they have a variety of weapons please refer to the following link https://en.wikipedia.org/ ... of_Star_Wars_weapons  which also includes proton torpedoes.  So yes the star trek shields can easily be taken down by the bombardment of weapons on the star wars ships   

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Damn I think we could give any of those fancy high dollar college debate teams a run for their money...lol

Well nether of those videos really fit though, the first one from Nemesis is the Reman's from the future coming back to get vengeance for their home world being destroyed. Key word being they are from the future so they have tech above that of any of the star trek ships of the time frame of the movie have, but in the end they still come out on top and victorious...lol

Second clip, they were in the ship to began with, so in an instance like that sure if people were already in the ship it would probably be vulnerable to being over taken.

I don't mean to say that star wars weapons aren't completely ineffective at fighting a star trek ship, I just mean the vast majority, the number one weapon on all the star wars ships would be pretty useless.

About the proton torpedo's/missiles that SW has though I would like to include exhibit A...(lol We are in court now)



Notice the part about being extremely expensive and only available in limited numbers, for example the critically important job of destroying the deathstar, they could only come up with two of them. With that said though, I actually completely agree with you, those things would be a huge factor into the battle, and probably one of the only weapons close to star trek tech.

One thing that you said though really got me thinking. When you have brought up the fact that I said they would look for a diplomatic solution above anything else. You are very correct, both the republic and empire are very deceptive, so I could easily see something like that where they would take advantage of the diplomacy to get a foot hold on the enemy.
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